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Post by bearsfolife - BANNED on Aug 7, 2010 6:20:57 GMT -5
Well, that Hornets/Mavericks deal was pretty lopsided. The one where he got Marion and gave up Juwan's old ass, Songaila's horrible rating, and a 1st round pick that is essentially a 2nd rd. pick as the Hornets will probably make it far into the playoffs.
That was pretty much a screwed deal and now we see that the Mavs makes another horrible deal to give up Jason Kidd.
No one is saying that Curry's contract is not valuable. But you can't just give up Kidd, a pg who will still produce for another 2 yrs for garbage who won't even make anyone's active roster.
I don't care if you are the commish, you don't have a right to take advantage of stupid gm's.
This Mavs GM is clearly an idiot who doesn't know what he's doing.
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Post by bearsfolife - BANNED on Aug 7, 2010 6:32:41 GMT -5
Also, his reasoing is that he wants to get Iverson but what is the upside of Iverson over Kidd? It makes no sense whatsoever. Both are old, at the tail ends of their careers. So why would u trade Kidd and potentially get nothing b/c why would Iverson choose a loser? Whereas instead, u could keep Kidd and have a PG without any concern whatsoever?
Logic makes absolutely no sense.
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Post by New York Knicks on Aug 7, 2010 12:45:34 GMT -5
I don't care if you are the commish, you don't have a right to take advantage of stupid gm's. Alright, you are insulting a fellow GM first of all, and it's uncalled for. Dallas is a good GM, and you have no right to tell him how to run his team or to call him names. Also, Dallas came to me with this, I asked to take an even worse salary than he was offering, thus making the deal worse for me, and I am "taking advantage" of gm's? Come on. I'm one of the most fair and even-headed guys out here. Anyone who knows me from other leagues knows this. Myself and Brad have been the only ones really doing anything FOR this league, because we both want it to succeed. I know it's basically killed both of our lives for the last week and a half. I have no interest in making lopsided deals, I simply have different values than you. So what? Being an ass does not endear you to anyone. I hope you think it over and apologize to Dallas.
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Post by bearsfolife - BANNED on Aug 7, 2010 12:55:46 GMT -5
Apologize? He didn't even say anything or feel insulted. Stupid is stupid. Those 2 deals are stupid. The West is tough as is already, those 2 deals made it pretty much a certainty that he won't make the playoffs.
He won't get Iverson, unless you guys give him Iverson b/c u feel bad for him. He offered him a 1 yr. deal when you said Iverson wants a 2-3 yr. deal. So it'll be interesting to see what you do or what "Iverson" does.
Calling a gm stupid is nothing bad. I've heard much worse things being called by other gm's behind the scenes so me saying this is nothing.
2 bad deals constitutues a problem with the gm. I see you said nothing about that Marion deal.
If you are just an outsider looking at this trade from an unbiased perspective, you would see a problem with it. You're speaking for the Dallas GM, trying to convince everyone how he benefited. You don't really have a right to convince anyone because you are personally involved in it. You should let the committee decide rather than try to convince the committee
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Aug 7, 2010 13:01:58 GMT -5
Apologize? He didn't even say anything or feel insulted. Stupid is stupid. Those 2 deals are stupid. The West is tough as is already, those 2 deals made it pretty much a certainty that he won't make the playoffs. He won't get Iverson, unless you guys give him Iverson b/c u feel bad for him. He offered him a 1 yr. deal when you said Iverson wants a 2-3 yr. deal. So it'll be interesting to see what you do or what "Iverson" does. Calling a gm stupid is nothing bad. I've heard much worse things being called by other gm's behind the scenes so me saying this is nothing. 2 bad deals constitutues a problem with the gm. I see you said nothing about that Marion deal. If you are just an outsider looking at this trade from an unbiased perspective, you would see a problem with it. You're speaking for the Dallas GM, trying to convince everyone how he benefited. You don't really have a right to convince anyone because you are personally involved in it. You should let the committee decide rather than try to convince the committee #1: Dallas is a solid GM and there is nothing wrong with the Marion deal. He has a semi-bad contract and flat out sucks in real life, he won't be worth much for long. Yeah all he got was cap space and NOH's pick (which won't be much) but Marion isn't worth much. I think Dallas will make the playoffs, his starting 5 is still intact at this moment. #2: New York didn't do this to rape someone, if someone offered you a deal like this you would take it as well. You are both right to an extent in my opinion, I think the biggest difference between this deal and the Marion deal is DAL gets nothing for Kidd. New York can add a little if really wants to get this done and I'll accept, it's not just horrible but DAL can forsure get more. #3: Can we try to keep the insults at a minimum please?
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Post by bearsfolife - BANNED on Aug 7, 2010 13:07:49 GMT -5
Fine, insults will be kept at a minimum. I didn't say he did it on purpose but he should have tried to make the deal more fair.
I remember when Miami, myself, and the Spurs GM were trying to do a 3 way deal when I still had Evan Turner. San Antonio was willing to give up Tony Parker and only get Jrue Holiday, Big Z, Mario Chalmers. I knew the deal wouldn't be fair for the Spurs and he re-considered luckily for him.
In the back of your mind, you should realize whether the trade is lopsided or not. I know when I deal, my intention is to never try to screw someone.
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Aug 7, 2010 13:13:40 GMT -5
Fine, insults will be kept at a minimum. I didn't say he did it on purpose but he should have tried to make the deal more fair. I remember when Miami, myself, and the Spurs GM were trying to do a 3 way deal when I still had Evan Turner. San Antonio was willing to give up Tony Parker and only get Jrue Holiday, Big Z, Mario Chalmers. I knew the deal wouldn't be fair for the Spurs and he re-considered luckily for him. In the back of your mind, you should realize whether the trade is lopsided or not. I know when I deal, my intention is to never try to screw someone. You said you were out of sims for a while, well for the past 2 years there has been a lot of "clearing cap for Lebron, Wade, etc." I thinks it will take a little time to get the value for expiring contracts back to where they should be.
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Post by randon007 (former Hornets) on Aug 7, 2010 14:46:18 GMT -5
Fine, insults will be kept at a minimum. I didn't say he did it on purpose but he should have tried to make the deal more fair. I remember when Miami, myself, and the Spurs GM were trying to do a 3 way deal when I still had Evan Turner. San Antonio was willing to give up Tony Parker and only get Jrue Holiday, Big Z, Mario Chalmers. I knew the deal wouldn't be fair for the Spurs and he re-considered luckily for him. In the back of your mind, you should realize whether the trade is lopsided or not. I know when I deal, my intention is to never try to screw someone. You said you were out of sims for a while, well for the past 2 years there has been a lot of "clearing cap for Lebron, Wade, etc." I thinks it will take a little time to get the value for expiring contracts back to where they should be. Just wanted to say that this "clearing cap for LeBron, Wade, Bosh all those guys" doesn't mean anything now that the all-star free-agent class has been signed to longer deals.
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Aug 7, 2010 16:11:57 GMT -5
Completely agree! The BIG FA class is gone and these expiring contracts are minimally valuable IMO... Yes u have a couple primetime guys, but not Bosh Dwade or Lebron. How much space actually needs to be cleared? Not that much IMO. But everyone has their own views. Just figured I would throw my 2 cents out there
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Aug 7, 2010 16:19:48 GMT -5
You could still get Melo? And every year there are good players every year, it's reasonable to assume the price of an expiring contract is still inflated since we've been doing this so long.
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Aug 7, 2010 17:15:57 GMT -5
Yes Melo will be there.. However, look at what is out there this year after all tose top guys signed, which after melo will look very similar.. How many teams r gonna want to clear 10+ million for guys of the same type of value as Iverson, Shaq and an unknown in Tmac after all those injuries? Probably not many.
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Aug 7, 2010 17:23:10 GMT -5
Yes Melo will be there.. However, look at what is out there this year after all tose top guys signed, which after melo will look very similar.. How many teams r gonna want to clear 10+ million for guys of the same type of value as Iverson, Shaq and an unknown in Tmac after all those injuries? Probably not many. We started in the middle of FA, there were lots of other guys besides the big studs.
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Post by New York Knicks on Aug 7, 2010 17:54:35 GMT -5
1 - Calling a GM an "idiot" and "stupid" is certainly insulting.
2 - I had and have no interest in convincing other committe members at all. Just today I told the Washington manager that if he thinks it is fair, accept, if he thinks it is rejectable, then veto. I didn't go on a rant trying to convince him. That would be belittling to my fellow CM's and I trust them to use their heads and make whatever decision they feel is appropriate.
3 - Again, no intention of "screwing" Dallas. If he wants to move Kidd and other salary for cap space this year and next year, and I can accommodate that, I do it. That's all that happened here. Why is it ok for all of you to try to change his values on players and cap space? I think that's ridiculous. It is his team, and if he values the cap space more than having Jason Kidd on his roster, he should be allowed to do what he wants. And really, it is not as if Kidd is some young pup who will be going up in ratings for years to come. He's still a solid PG, but I really think you are overrating him.
4 - Right now we're at 2 accept and 1 reject. Whatever happens, I hope we all accept the decision of the CM's. If it is a reject of this current offer, then I will add a young player or a pick of some sort to set everyone else's minds at ease, even though I truly feel taking on this money and roster space is worth something that none of you are acknowledging.
I'm done with this, we're going back and forth and no one is changing their minds so let's just let the rest of the CM's vote and go from there. I completely respect and accept whatever decision they make.
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Post by New York Knicks on Aug 7, 2010 17:57:17 GMT -5
Oh and 5 - No I didn't say anything about the Marion Deal. I saw it, thought about it for a bit, then voted. 4 years at 7-9 mil or whatever Marion makes for a 75 who will probably never go up a rating point again is not good. If he wants to move that for expirings it makes sense to me.
No, Kidd's contract is not AS bad, but it is more expensive for this year and next, and he has PG's on his team who can adequately cover that spot. Jason Terry can be a PG in sims. He regularly gets 7-8 apg while starting at SG for me in another league, so he'd work pretty well himself.
Dallas still has a great lineup with one of the top 10 rated players in Dirk, plus a very solid starting lineup even w/o Kidd. Again, if he wants more money for next year especially, this deal makes sense.
Now, I'm done.
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Aug 7, 2010 20:06:14 GMT -5
Yes Melo will be there.. However, look at what is out there this year after all tose top guys signed, which after melo will look very similar.. How many teams r gonna want to clear 10+ million for guys of the same type of value as Iverson, Shaq and an unknown in Tmac after all those injuries? Probably not many. We started in the middle of FA, there were lots of other guys besides the big studs. Oh I absolutely agree this year there was. But that was this year. What is there next year that is going to be soo great. I know Troy Murphy, but how many teams r gonna want to drop 10-12 million into Murphy and other guys that r rated around the mid 70's. I say mid 70's because I highly doubt Murphy is going to increase his rating next year and will more than likely decrease which will probably put him at a 77 Just the way I see it
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