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Post by New York Knicks on Aug 6, 2010 21:42:04 GMT -5
Not to distract all of your current attention from my deal, but honestly, I think the Washington/Oklahoma City trade is pretty damn lopsided myself. I'd take Westbrook over Rondo considering Contracts, for sure. And then Jeff Green is cheaper and 6 points better than Darko, who has a 4 year 5 mil a year contract going for Jeff Green basically?
Very nice trade for Washington, I don't get it that much for OKC. Seems he gave Green away for free.
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Aug 6, 2010 21:46:44 GMT -5
Oh I absolutely agree with that as well. Westbrook is not that far off Rondo. Then Jeff Green for Darko? WOW
There is no way that trade should go through either.
However, atleast there is a stud returning in Rodno instead of just a salary dump of a top tier PG for an expiring contract.
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Post by New York Knicks on Aug 6, 2010 22:03:39 GMT -5
Keep saying top tier PG for a 77 rating. Whether or not you agree with the Rating, no one said anything about it until now so that's suspicious in itself.
Also, this goes back to an earlier comment, but just because the TC has not been leaving huge responses in the trade threads does not mean we are not thinking about the trades. I think right now we are all trying to let teams do what THEY want with their team, and not what everyone else in the league wants for their team. If the trade makes sense and both managers know why they are doing it, we have been trying to let them go through.
If we were hard asses there would be even more people on here talking about us being dictators and not letting people run their teams the way they want to.
Dallas came to me with this, I offered to take guys with larger salaries this year than what he offered to me, to help him out even more.
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Aug 6, 2010 22:09:35 GMT -5
"Keep saying top tier PG for a 77 rating. Whether or not you agree with the Rating, no one said anything about it until now so that's suspicious in itself."
How the hell is that suspicious? That makes no sense
Also, if we allow every trade to just go thru then the top teams r just going to dominate year in and year out and the lower level teams will never have a chance. Thats the way it goes if all trades r just passed without any thought
Seriously.. Eddy Curry a non factor in any teams rotation for jason kidd. Go look at the #'s buddy. He still produces at a very high level
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Post by New York Knicks on Aug 6, 2010 22:14:27 GMT -5
The suspiciousness is, no one was claiming "Kidd is an elite PG, why is his rating only 77" before the trade, but now he is suddenly an Elite PG. Not too hard to understand.
Seems obvious Dallas wasn't getting many (if any?) offers on Kidd, so he obviously felt his value was pretty low. He made a move that could get him Sheed or Iverson.
If Dallas had made a trade
77 Jason Kidd \ 8.5 mil | 8.5 mil for 75 Allen Iverson | 6 mil | 6 mil
Would anyone complain? I don't think so. This gives him a chance to do just that.
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Post by New York Knicks on Aug 6, 2010 22:17:32 GMT -5
And again, we're not looking to let every single trade go through, but there haven't been any trades yet that were so completely unbalanced that they really needed rejected.
Who are we to say that our values are the correct ones? Even the Darko deal as mentioned above, if OKC believes Darko will start for Minnesota (very likely, he already did that last year and now Al Jeff isn't there anymore) and he likes the flashes of potential he has shown, I have no problem passing that deal.
Dallas wanted to trade Kidd away, save money next year, save some this year to go after a FA. That's what he got.
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Aug 6, 2010 22:26:17 GMT -5
"The suspiciousness is, no one was claiming "Kidd is an elite PG, why is his rating only 77" before the trade, but now he is suddenly an Elite PG. Not too hard to understand"
I never looked at the mavs team because I am not looking for a PG and didnt know Mavs was shopping him. So therefore I would have ZERO reason to bring up his rating when I had no reason to look at him before he is involved in a trade. Zero suspiciiousness there buddy
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Aug 6, 2010 22:32:15 GMT -5
Kidd for Iverson is NOT the trade tho. This is Kidd for Curry. That is not remotely close to Kidd for Iverson. So please dont even bring that up like that. He added curry for kidd.. he could add iverson for strictly $.. HUGE DIFFERENCE
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Post by New York Knicks on Aug 6, 2010 22:38:07 GMT -5
Man, I really don't understand how you don't understand lol.
It is NOT Kidd for Curry. No one in the world is saying Curry himself is a good player.
Curry's CONTRACT, however, is very valuable. Hell, Dallas may turn that contract into a nice piece itself at the deadline. A big expiring contract like that helps you to get better players that a team might not want anymore. He could very well turn this contract into a solidly rated (mid/high 70s) player later in the year with a couple of years on his contract that a bad team won't want anymore.
Also, you show your ignorance again.
He is currently at 82.3 mil.
The hard cap is 85 million
HE CAN NOT just add Iverson for $. He doesn't have it before this trade. I am not going to honor your replies with responses from me anymore if you show so obviously to not know what you are talking about.
I'm sorry, but it's ridiculous.
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Post by sniper on Aug 6, 2010 22:39:05 GMT -5
Committee has let a few deals go through that weren't exactly fair, but I chose to stay out of it. Closer look should be taken at certain deals in the future, even if u arent with the majority. What are the deals so far that you have found unfair? I don't completely agree with the Kidd deal myself, we will all have to see what happens once Dallas accepts.
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Aug 6, 2010 22:47:53 GMT -5
Man, I really don't understand how you don't understand lol. It is NOT Kidd for Curry. No one in the world is saying Curry himself is a good player. Curry's CONTRACT, however, is very valuable. Hell, Dallas may turn that contract into a nice piece itself at the deadline. A big expiring contract like that helps you to get better players that a team might not want anymore. He could very well turn this contract into a solidly rated (mid/high 70s) player later in the year with a couple of years on his contract that a bad team won't want anymore. Also, you show your ignorance again. He is currently at 82.3 mil. The hard cap is 85 million HE CAN NOT just add Iverson for $. He doesn't have it before this trade. I am not going to honor your replies with responses from me anymore if you show so obviously to not know what you are talking about. I'm sorry, but it's ridiculous. I am not saying he can just add AI now. I know he would have to cut $ before he could add AI. I never said he could do it right now did i? No I was making a point that curry is a player and so is kidd. That means production for production. Where kidd's production is much more valuable then Curry's production. AI he would be adding(let me make this clear for you... After he clears some space) for only $.. No production. So the AI for Kidd "trade" u brought up is invalid. It is not relevant to the kidd for curry deal.. Again, u just read things and take them the way u want to. I am hardly ignorant to the cap
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Post by New York Knicks on Aug 6, 2010 23:00:35 GMT -5
It is not invalid. This is a way for him to clear cap space. Just what you are saying he needs to do. He's not going to trade away Dirk, Terry, Butler, etc for cap space. You are obviously the only one here who really thinks Kidd is that good. Hell, I think Washington's GM could get a good 7-8 assists per game playing with those guys. Kidd is not as good as you think he is, plain and simple.
Also, you have claimed Salary Cap leagues as experience before. If you really think this is the same, that illustrates how little you understand this type of league.
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Aug 6, 2010 23:04:43 GMT -5
It is not invalid. This is a way for him to clear cap space. Just what you are saying he needs to do. He's not going to trade away Dirk, Terry, Butler, etc for cap space. You are obviously the only one here who really thinks Kidd is that good. Hell, I think Washington's GM could get a good 7-8 assists per game playing with those guys. Kidd is not as good as you think he is, plain and simple. Also, you have claimed Salary Cap leagues as experience before. If you really think this is the same, that illustrates how little you understand this type of league. Explain to me how this salary cap league is so much different and intense than any other normal salary cap league? I am pretty sure that u have caps in every league. You have yearly salaries right? I mean, seriously, please explain how this one will be so much different then others
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Post by New York Knicks on Aug 6, 2010 23:09:29 GMT -5
This is not a "Fantasy Salary Cap League" which is what you said.
This is a sim league.
Do you really not know the difference?
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Post by TB's Washington Wizards on Aug 6, 2010 23:10:24 GMT -5
Committee has let a few deals go through that weren't exactly fair, but I chose to stay out of it. Closer look should be taken at certain deals in the future, even if u arent with the majority. What are the deals so far that you have found unfair? I don't completely agree with the Kidd deal myself, we will all have to see what happens once Dallas accepts. QFT.
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