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Sept 5, 2010 15:42:55 GMT -5
Post by Marco's Blazers on Sept 5, 2010 15:42:55 GMT -5
82 | Elton Brand - overrated 99 | Dwayne Wade - overrated 75 | Brendan Haywood - bit underrated 70 | Travis Outlaw - bit underrated 76 | Andrea Bargnani - underrated 77 | Luis Scola - underrated 77 | Trevor Ariza - bit underrated 76 | Aaron Brooks - underrated 72 | George Hill - underrated 72 | Tiago Splitter - underrated 72 | Goran Dragic - bit underrated 71 | Jared Dudley - bit underrated 64 | Louis Amundson - underrated 90 | Kevin Durant - bit underrated 79 | LaMarcus Aldridge - bit underrated 68 | Wesley Matthews - way underrated 72 | Dorell Wright - bit overrated
Personally, i think we should update some ratings by mid-season because in off-season you also need to consider players progression.
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Sept 5, 2010 17:31:39 GMT -5
Post by bearsfolife - BANNED on Sept 5, 2010 17:31:39 GMT -5
What the fuck? You can't change ratings midseason? That's completely dumb and goes contrary to what the league is supposed to be about.
The time to change ratings is either before the season or during the offseason. You guys wouldn't let us ask for ratings changes before the start of the season. So now you want to fuck with the ratings to satisfy your own needs?
First off, nobody's players should go down in ratings. Secondly, nobody's players should go up until the season is over. Period.
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Sept 5, 2010 17:34:22 GMT -5
Post by bearsfolife - BANNED on Sept 5, 2010 17:34:22 GMT -5
And how the fuck are u gonna say that Brand's ratings needs to change. In the league, he is averaging around a double-double and is having a good season. So you would base that shit off of the real NBA and fuck with people's ratings?
That's bullcrap b/c I tried to trade Brand but I did want some more in return b/c of his 82 rating, but now you would decrease his rating, making it harder for me to possibly trade him.
Thats bad call if you ask me.
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Sept 5, 2010 18:04:55 GMT -5
Post by Hot-lanta Hawks on Sept 5, 2010 18:04:55 GMT -5
I agree w Philly in this issue. Rating changes should not come 20ish games into the season, they should be done before or after the season only. Why not just leave everyone's ratings as is until the season is over then make all the rating changes ya want?
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Sept 5, 2010 18:06:10 GMT -5
Post by Marco's Blazers on Sept 5, 2010 18:06:10 GMT -5
I admit it might be unfair to lower player's ratings in mid-season because they were initially overrated but with underrated players it is a different story. Fact is TB and Knicks did not have enough time to update all rating before season started but there are some players that really deserve a raise.
And GMs usually value underrated players as if they were as good as they are in real life. Based on that, it would be a good idea to give underrated players the boost they deserve.
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Sept 5, 2010 18:10:25 GMT -5
Post by Marco's Blazers on Sept 5, 2010 18:10:25 GMT -5
And how the fuck are u gonna say that Brand's ratings needs to change. In the league, he is averaging around a double-double and is having a good season. He is averaging what he is averaging because of his ratings, lol. If we change ratings based on the performances in the game then, good players would get better and bad players would get worse, lol. Then again, I agree it would be unfair to decrease ratings. That's bullcrap b/c I tried to trade Brand but I did want some more in return b/c of his 82 rating, but now you would decrease his rating, making it harder for me to possibly trade him. Thats bad call if you ask me. I understand but what about underrated players with big contracts? For example, in my team i have a 68 Matthews that has a $6M salary for this season and it is not like he got that contract last season and he totally sucked for 1 season. Portland just signed him. Tell me he doesn't deserve a raise, LOL.
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Sept 5, 2010 18:27:10 GMT -5
Post by bearsfolife - BANNED on Sept 5, 2010 18:27:10 GMT -5
Yea, they deserved a raise. Everyone's team has at least 2 players who are underrated.
I was a huge advocate of increasing player's ratings and I asked TB to do it but he said no, New York said no.
In the end, nobody is at a disadvantage b/c everyone has underrated players(like Flynn, Bynum, and Speights on my team).
You can't fuck with ratings 20 games through the season or 40 games through the season b/c that changes the balance of the league. It's like decreasing LeBron's rebounding abilities midway through the season by putting him through some machine or something like that(as a crazy comparable example).
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Sept 5, 2010 18:31:00 GMT -5
Post by Dallas Mavericks on Sept 5, 2010 18:31:00 GMT -5
82 | Elton Brand - overrated 99 | Dwayne Wade - overrated 77 | Trevor Ariza - bit underrated 79 | LaMarcus Aldridge - bit underrated Personally, i think we should update some ratings by mid-season because in off-season you also need to consider players progression. I don't think Wade is overrated, I would actually take him over his new sidekick any day of the week. Ariza is a bit overrated if you ask me (just a bit not a lot), he had a great November and basically tailed off a bit after that, so I think 77 is fine for him as of right now. Lamarcus Aldridge is not underrated it's the complete opposite, he has the Chris Bosh/Amare syndrome of stat padding, good scorer, good rebounder, takes some jumpers, but sucks ASS on defense. (BTW I am saying that as someone who actually has Aldridge on my team in another league (nba360)). That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve atleast a 80, but not as high as you might think he deserves (which I am not sure about).
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Sept 5, 2010 18:42:06 GMT -5
Post by Marco's Blazers on Sept 5, 2010 18:42:06 GMT -5
I don't think Wade is overrated, I would actually take him over his new sidekick any day of the week. Ariza is a bit overrated if you ask me (just a bit not a lot), he had a great November and basically tailed off a bit after that, so I think 77 is fine for him as of right now. Lamarcus Aldridge is not underrated it's the complete opposite, he has the Chris Bosh/Amare syndrome of stat padding, good scorer, good rebounder, takes some jumpers, but sucks ASS on defense. (BTW I am saying that as someone who actually has Aldridge on my team in another league (nba360)). That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve atleast a 80, but not as high as you might think he deserves (which I am not sure about). Yeah, maybe you are right. But only Lebron and Kobe should be 98. About Flynn, Bynum, and Speights being underrated i dont know about that. They sure look underrated compared to Brand (joke) but they are not underrated if you check ratings in general. Compare Matthews to Speights. I don't see why Speights deserve 4 more points than Matthews and for Speights you can actually get some decent value back. Matthews with his 68 rating and his contract is worse than dog's shit, lolololol.
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Sept 5, 2010 20:14:53 GMT -5
Post by New York Knicks on Sept 5, 2010 20:14:53 GMT -5
I knew Philly would flip shit about this. What'd I tell you Portland?
Anyway, to be completely honest, I tried to get more ratings changed before the season too, but once trading started, TB/Brad/Washington didn't think it would be fair to change them - because some traded players deserved rating increase/decrease.
So moral of the story, Philly stop bitching about everything. it's ok for you to disagree, but it's the way you go about doing it that a lot of people don't like. I know you have a canned response for that, probably dealing with "I don't care what other people think", OR even better "who has said that? No on in this thread said anything about me!" or something. I just think the way you approach things like this is asking for a fight. And I'm tired of it.
The argument FOR having Ratings changes midseason is as follows.
IRL, players get better and worse (Increase and Decrease). Some are hyped up before the season starts (high ratings) only to fall short of expectations (time to decrease ratings). Others are not expected to get into a teams' rotation (low ratings), but work hard and end up with a role, or even starting by season's end (time to increase ratings).
Our league is based on Real-Life Performance. If we gather enough evidence that shows enough players have poor ratings, we should fix it up. Everyone making trades or signing players in this league should be doing so with an eye to real-world value. Ratings WILL change, even if it is not during the season, they will change. So you should always try to value players as if you were IRL and didn't know someone's "rating". Look at their stats, watch them play, check their salaries, check out injury history, their team situation, does the coach like to play a plodding pace, etc., and decide if you want them more than what you're trading away.
For the record on the Kidd thing, it was only an example. Philly, you were one of the biggest advocates saying his rating was too low and not enough value given for him, and while we may disagree on the 2nd part, the 1st part may be right. I really don't care if his rating goes up, it just seemed like you and another manager were screaming that he was an Elite PG one month ago, so I figured I'd post it as an example.
Doing this would not favor myself or portland or anyone else, it would make the league more in-line with reality, which is what we should always be striving to do.
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Sept 5, 2010 21:49:31 GMT -5
Post by bearsfolife - BANNED on Sept 5, 2010 21:49:31 GMT -5
Yea, well, I'd quit and you'd be out 1 active manager b/c of your insane ideas to screw with player ratings midway through season 1. Wasn't the idea to change the ratings in conjunction with the NBA season? Where is the NBA season right now? Ummm, not for another 2 months.
Your first post makes it sound like you're ready to get this thing started, so forgive me, but I don't take too kindly to people trying to switch up the rules.
You are switching up the rules, which goes against the whole idea of sport and games.
You want to do shit that benefits you. First, it was the week long struggle to get Jason Kidd(which now you are ironically are trying to trade) and now it's this bogus excuse for trying to improve Jason Kidd. It wasn't enough that you got the MUCH BETTER end of that deal? Now you want to increase that edge? Give me a break dude.
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Sept 5, 2010 21:56:38 GMT -5
Post by New York Knicks on Sept 5, 2010 21:56:38 GMT -5
I apologize for you incorrectly assuming I wanted to get this started. My comment was "put in your suggestions and we'll go from there". I meant it as, we'll see how it goes. I was anticipating suggestions coming in throughout the season, to be honest, so just a misunderstanding from you.
There was no rule that said "we will not change ratings during the season". There has been no rule switching, and even more to the point, we put it up to a vote. No one said we were doing this midseason, you just assumed it for some reason. Probably because it gave you a reason to fight. See what I mean with this again?
Also, I don't give a flying shit about Jason Kidd's rating, you were the one asking for him to be higher. it was a highly visible thing, so I figured it was basically the first rating change that was asked for in public. I just posted it here as an example. Chill the fuck out man.
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Sept 5, 2010 22:02:00 GMT -5
Post by bearsfolife - BANNED on Sept 5, 2010 22:02:00 GMT -5
You better chill out with your insane power trips you've shown throughout the start of this league.
Using your power to justify the Kidd trade, now stating that the rules are going to change. Go back to your first post, I didn't misinterpret anything.
Alright, in this Thread, post about any players you think may be too low or too high in ratings. Then the staff will consider the suggestions, and we will go from there.
I'll get started.
Jason Kidd - According to the time when I acquired Kidd, a lot of the league thought he should be rated more highly. I do too, to be honest, but he is old. That said, his numbers really haven't dropped much. He's actually improved his 3pt% which is very nice. Could be low 80's still
THAT WAS YOUR EXACT LANGUAGE. THERE IS NO WORDS ABOUT VOTING OR ABOUT A WAIT AND SEE APPROACH.
You have a poll but your post suggests that the change is taking place. Maybe you need to learn how to post so that people don't get confused by your thoughts. Nobody can read your thoughts, we can read the words that you type.
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Sept 5, 2010 22:04:20 GMT -5
Post by bearsfolife - BANNED on Sept 5, 2010 22:04:20 GMT -5
And another thing, just so you know for the future:
When trying to increase a player's ratings, you should provide factual evidence, factual proof to justify what you are trying to convince people of. This means stats, not your opinion, not my opinion, not other people's opinions. Stats. What you perceive a player to be doesn't matter. Perception is not reality. The stats speak for themselves.
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Sept 5, 2010 22:04:37 GMT -5
Post by New York Knicks on Sept 5, 2010 22:04:37 GMT -5
There are also no wording that says "let's get this done in the next 5 days." you are assuming again, it's ridiculous. NO ONE SAID WE ARE DOING THESE MIDSEASON. WE PUT IT AS A DAMN OPTION IN A POLL AND YOU SAW IT AND FLIPPED OUT.
Your assumptions have simply been wrong, and you won't back off them.
I had no power in the Kidd trade. I got no vote. I accepted an offer from another manager, even gave him more than he offered me, on two separate occasions, in the same trade, and listened to all of you guys say Kidd was Elite PG.
Guess what, Elite PG's are rated like 90. I mention that apparently the league thinks he's way better than 77, but I'd suggest like a low 80 at most, and I'm trying to screw the league over apparently.
You are such a hypocrite.
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